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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Sat, August 19, 2006 - 1:09 AMWould this be in response to a tout in Sultanahmet trying to find people to drag to a hotel or restaurant or carpet shop in exchange for a commission?
All I've done int he past is not engage them in conversation.
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Mon, August 21, 2006 - 6:43 AMAfter three weeks of feeling like an olive tree being harvested (ie, getting bludgeoned with sticks), I started experimenting with different defensive bazaar tactics. Here's what I found ...
1) Speak as much Turkish as possible. You won't fool anyone into thinking that you're Turkish, but many predatory salesman will think that you're more dangerous than an easily exploitable tourist and consequently leave you alone for simpler prey.
2) Tell them you're BULGARIAN and that you don't speak English! A simple "Ben Bulgaristan, Ingilizce bilmiyorum" will make 99.9% of them back off. Nobody in Sultanahmet, Beyoglu and Eminonu seems to speak any Bulgarian, Serbian, Bosnian, etc, and there seemed to be a belief that Balkan people just don't have enough spending money to make them all that desireable.
3) Shrug sadly and say, "I'm sorry, my wife has run off with all my money." Unfortunately, for me, this was pretty much the truth. I used this in the Grand Bazaar while waiting for more than an hour while my wife ransacked the belly dance shops like Mongols cutting through the heart of Central Asia. The same shopkeepers and hawkers actually hung out with me, kept me company and consoled me, offering me tea and very pleasant and personable conversation. "Don't worry, my friend, I'm sure she will go easy on you. Think of what a lucky man you are, married to a belly dancer! Surely this is worth any price?" I asked them a lot of questions about working in the bazaar and, in the process, learned a lot about their lives. Cool experience. I really needed to be reminded that all of our "friends" in the bazaar are people, too, just trying to get by. -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Mon, August 21, 2006 - 7:26 AM<humor>
You know, when they say "my friend", it doesn't necessarily mean the same thing we mean when we call someone our friend. *ESPECIALLY* the guys who are trying to sell you something... >:)
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Seriously though, I've never had the opportunity to go shopping in that kind of environment. The craziest place I ever went was to chinatown in NYC, but that's a different story for a different tribe. lol! -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Wed, August 23, 2006 - 4:37 PMI remember walking dow the street in Goreme several years ago with a Japanese backpacker that I'd met. A carpet saleman appeared in front of us and started in on her with fluent Japanese.
i was impressed. A tiny village in central Anatolia, and a carpet salesman could speak Japanese weell enough to harass her.
Later, she told me that she often pretended to be Korean so that she could be left alone. Lots of carpet and leather jacket salesmen in Turkey speak japanese, apparently. -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Wed, August 23, 2006 - 8:51 PMMany carpet salesmen and souvenir-hawkers boasted about their fluency in Japanese to me. Some said that Turkish and Japanese were linguistic cousins (???), that the grammar was similar and that certain words had common roots. Seems ... kinda hard to conceptualize ... but, then again, what I know about Japanese, I could probably tell you in Turkish. -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, August 24, 2006 - 9:25 AMI thought Turkish was part of it's own language tree. I've heard that forms of Turkish are spoken as far east as Western China. A few words that I've heard are really close to Chinese...like "su" for water is ~really~ close to the word in Cantonese. -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Mon, August 28, 2006 - 5:12 AMI've heard that forms of Turkish are spoken as far east as Western China. A few words that I've heard are really close to Chinese...like "su" for water is ~really~ close to the word in Cantonese.
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In my case;
Turkish language is belong to the Altaic branch of the Ural-Altaic family of languages.Like the other UraliAfter the waning of the Gokturk state, the Uighurs produced many written texts that are among the most important source works for the Turkish language. The Uighurs abandoned shamanism (the original Turkish religion) in favor of Buddhism, Manichaeanism and Brahmanism, and translated the pious and philosophical works into Turkish. Examples are Altun Yaruk, Mautrisimit, Sekiz Yükmek, Huastunift. These are collected in Turkische Turfan-Texte. The Gokturk inscriptions, together with Uighur writings, are in a language called by scholars Old Turkish.
Turkish was written in the Arabic script < the trick is Turks have never spoken arabic, they'd just used their scripts in writing > following the conversion of the Turks to Islam.
The Turkish that developed in Anatolia and Balkans in the times of the Seljuk’s and Ottomans is documented in several literary works prior to the 13th century. The men of letters of the time were, notably, Sultan Veled, the son of Mevlana Celaleddin-i Rumi, Ahmed Fakih, Seyyad Hamza, Yunus Emre, a prominent thinker of the time, and the famed poet, Gulsehri. This Turkish has a dialect which falls into the southwestern dialects of the Western Turkish language family and also into the dialects of the Oguz Türkmen language group. When the Turkish spoken in Turkey is considered in a historical context, it can be classified according to three distinct periods:
1. Old Anatolian Turkish (old Ottoman - between the 13th and the 15th centuries)
2. Ottoman Turkish (from the 16th to the 19th century)
3. 20th century Turkish
With the proclamation of the Republic in 1923 and after the process of national integration in the 1923-1928 period, the subject of adopting a new alphabet became an issue of utmost importance. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk had the Latin alphabet adapted to the Turkish vowel system, believing that to reach the level of contemporary civilization, it was essential to benefit from western culture. The creation of the Turkish Language Society in 1932 was another milestone in the effort to reform the language.
In addition, maybe the pronunciation might be similar, because turkish history rised in middle asia. But the alphabet and language culture are preety different between eachother.
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, August 24, 2006 - 10:58 AMThere was a thread on one of my non-Tribe dance lists about this very subject. Apparently there is some validity to this theory. There were different opininions, I'll see if i can find it a read it again.
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, August 24, 2006 - 12:00 PMWell...there are different dialects of the Turkish language like in Uzbekistan, Azerbajian, etc. So, I have been told that people from Turkey who travel to those Central Asian countries can often understand the people there and vice versa because a lot of the words are very similar.
I was told the same about Japanese and Turkish coming from the same linguistic family. Very interesting...would have never guessed that. Same as...oh, what was the other one I was told..Dutch? No, I think I am way off...
Anybody who knows, tell me or it will be bugging me all night!
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, August 24, 2006 - 7:39 PMWell, I've heard about Turkish being in the Finno-Ugric family, that puts it in the same zone with Magyar, Estonian and Finnish ... three languages which seem to share NO similarities with one another, by the way. Who makes this stuff up, anyway? And is the damn platypus a mammal or NOT?!? -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, August 24, 2006 - 10:33 PMthats it, finnish! thanks but i am with you...i don't get the relation between these languages.
don't ask me about the platypus either! haha!! -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, August 24, 2006 - 10:48 PMApparently, some feel the Japanese language can be classed as deriving from Altaic, tho this is disputed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japa...sification
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, August 24, 2006 - 11:32 PM.....Japanese were linguistic cousins (???), that the grammar was similar and that certain words had common roots....
yes, its true similar grammar. and some words related.
maybe there is the Mongolian connection. I had an intersting conversation with a Mongolian diplomat about the Mongolian roots of Turkish people, and one thing he said was that the Mongolian language is rooted in the Turkic languages, and not that the roots of Turkish language were Mongolian, which i found interesting.... i donno : ) just repeating what i heard...
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, August 24, 2006 - 11:40 PMsomewhat related..... a girlfriend and I once filled a notebook with all the silly pick up lines we heard from men in Turkey, I have it somewhere, every once in a while its good to pull out for a laugh. But realy some of those guys are charming, and have it down to an art! but more often than not its realy lame, worst case was a young kid maybe 12ish trying out the very pick up lines, he obviously got from somewhere.... oh it was just baaad, but im sure in a few years he`ll have mastered the skills.
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Fri, August 25, 2006 - 12:59 AMTurkish is not in the Finno-Ugric family. That theory was dismissed by linguists in the 50s.
In this case, there's actually well-researched articles up on wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Fri, August 25, 2006 - 5:57 AMFIND THE BOOK! I'd love to hear some of your entries!
You're right about those guys, especially the ones who would hang out between Ayasofya and Sultanahmet Camii with their slicked back hair, gauzy white shirts unbuttoned to the waist and rock-star tight blue jeans. I'd sit on those benches in front of Sultanahmet and just watch how they played the tourists, especially the young female backpackers from Australia, NZ, UK, USA, etc. I'd see girls walking away from these sharks, forcefully repeating NO THANK YOU! GO AWAY! NO THANK YOU! GO AWAY! ... the shark would pursue, persistently trying one line after another in rapid succession, like a machinegun ... and then, more times than not, within minutes, I'd see the two of them strolling off toward Divanyolu Caddesi, his arm around her shoulders, him murmuring some sinsiter syrup into her ear. Creepy, but fascinating ... like watching a nature documentary about spiders catching their prey in webs. -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Fri, August 25, 2006 - 9:08 AMSomeone once told me that it'd probably be better to learn a phrase or two in ~Turkish~ ttelling them to leave you alone and go away.
I never tried it.
However, once, one Turkish woman that we were traveling with was mistaken for a tourist (it must've been the blonde hair) and was approached by one of the sharks. She told him off roundly in Turkish.
Boy, he didn't stick around after that! You should've seen the dirty look that he gave her, though! -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Fri, August 25, 2006 - 11:10 AMOk, family story - My grandmother, who is American was in the Bazar and being hassled by one persistant gentleman.
Getting frustrated after repeatedly saying 'NO!', tried it in Turkish, only got it mixed up and said 'Hiyar!!!' (cucumber) and not 'hayir' (no).
She said the dumbfounded look on the guys face was pricless.
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Fri, August 25, 2006 - 12:01 PMLOL!
That's sort of my fear in trying to tell someone off in Turkish...that I'd both it.
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Fri, August 25, 2006 - 12:26 PMGood gawd, I don't even wanna think about some of the mangled-up nonsense I was probably babling those first few days ... fragments of Serbian, Spanish and phrasebook Turkish kept oozing out to the confused and horrified expressions of innocent Turks. CUCUMBER! Chok guzel! -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Fri, August 25, 2006 - 4:39 PMHm...well, you know...if yelling "Cucumber!" at the top of your lungs makes them halt and stop their incessant haraguing, maybe it's worth it make that response.
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Fri, August 25, 2006 - 11:35 PMHa! All these stories are really amusing. ;)
I think I have managed to escape for the most part because almost everyone assumes I am Turkish and my husband IS Turkish. I have also perfected the walk straight ahead *you don't exist to me* stance (for those who hit on I mean, not the nice folks!) When all else fails, I just take the wide-eyed innocent gaze and point to my ears, shake my head and move on. When they realize I can't hear what they are saying they usually give up.
Hey, maybe play deaf for a day.
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I do want to see some phrases in that book you have on Turkish pick-up lines. Bet there are some hilarious ones in there!
Oh...I fear we have strayed far off of JM's original post. *grin*
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Mon, September 4, 2006 - 5:36 PMHaha:) In Turkish slang "hiyar" also means something on the line of "jerk, asshole". -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Mon, September 4, 2006 - 6:17 PMI don't understand the origins of slang at all ... HOW could CUCUMBER also come to mean ASSHOLE?
Or do we really want to know ..?
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Mon, September 4, 2006 - 7:48 PMWell,
I guess that's why I've never heard it actually used to mean 'cucumber'. -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Tue, September 5, 2006 - 3:37 AMhıyar means "cucumber," "stupid!", and "freedom of expression" (go figure).
But "salatalık" is more commonly used to refer to cucumbers today... if you want to be *sure* that you're calling someone a cucumber and not "stupid"... -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Tue, September 5, 2006 - 10:34 AMYeah, I've always used 'salatalik' cuz everyone else did.
Good thing, I guess.
I'm not up to date on Turkish slang.
I hope to go back next year, tho.
Any other words it might be useful to know <Grin> -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Tue, September 5, 2006 - 11:50 AMI read somewhere that "saksofon" said while pantomiming the act of playing a saxophone is somehow insulting. I can kinda guess why, but ... Any data from the field to back this up? -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Tue, September 5, 2006 - 1:15 PMSpot on, Geoff!:) . I translate subtitles of American movies into Turkish, and I often get to translate slang words. You guys have a real wide imagination there, but Turkish slang is also very rich and colorful;)
P.S. I used the word asshole not in the literal sense:) As a term of insult for men. Hiyar is used only for men btw. You can call a man buggering you an "asshole", can't you? But how we came here from a cucumber or even "where are you from my firend?" is another issue:) -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Tue, September 5, 2006 - 4:08 PMWow, that's your JOB?! I imagine that you must have a lot of funny stories to tell. There are so many baaaaad American movies that never should have been translated into ENGLISH, let alone TURKISH! The good people of Turkey are probably better off without "Dude, Where's My Car?" ("Arkadas, Nerede Arabam?" ... is that even close? Ha ha)
Hmmmm, I realize that this might be a fairly fine semantic point, but there's a bit of a difference between a man who is BUGGING you and a man who is BUGGERING you. Yes, an 'asshole' is defintely someone who is BUGGING you, whereas the guy who is BUGGERING you is , ah, someone who has HIS salatilik somewhere up YOUR hiyar.
OK, that doesn't shed as much light on the situation as I might have hoped.
Hey, quick question: How are you guys getting the special Turkish vowels and consonants to appear on your posts? When I tried to cut and paste from word, "salatilik " came out looking like "salatlk" ...
Nur, what movies have you translated? Which ones have been the most challenging? Which ones have been the most fun? -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, September 7, 2006 - 6:18 AM:)))
We have a Turkish keyboard and we can set the language to TR.
Well, I am impressed that as an American you admit you have so many baaad movies:) And unfortunately I have to translate them as this is my job. Mmm, I did hundreds of them, name counting here will be impossible plus my memory is short. But my first one was Braveheart. The most difficult ones are comedies because of the word puns. The most I enjoyed? Musicals. My fave was Moulin Rouge and luckily I got to translate it twice, one for theater one for DVD, plus I saw it again in cinema with my very own subtitles:)
Geoff, you seem to have managed to complicate this asshole thing very well and I will hold myself from explaining any further:)
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, September 7, 2006 - 12:45 PMYOU DID "BRAVEHEART"?!?!
Do you know HOW MANY Turkish people I met who said that "Braveheart" was their favorite English-language movie?! I'm absolutely serious ... My wife and I met many, many locals, and we would have long conversations, and I can't even count the number of times that "Braveheart" would come up during conversations about movies. I even asked one guy, "Why do Turkish people love "Braveheart" so much?" and he said that he thought maybe it had something to do with the negative depiction of the English. Funny, too, 'cos this conversation took place on the ferry across the Marmara, close to Gallipoli. Do Turkish people have some kind of historical problem with the English? -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Sat, September 9, 2006 - 8:29 AMWell, my history knowledge is not so good. But English have been using Trojan horse tactics to divide, weaken, provoke countries to their own interest. , They organized the Arabic nations for revolt against Ottomon Empire after the WW1. Actually they even conquered China by giving them opium, didn't they? So I heard. And they had colonies all around the world. So it's their colonnialist nature and these not very gallant tactics, lets say. On the other hand I am not an expert on the subject.
P.S:Don't wanna offend English ppl. At least my ex bf if he reads this by chance:)
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Sat, September 9, 2006 - 1:23 AMin turkish slang dictionary :), saksafon means blowjob :D
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Sat, September 9, 2006 - 8:36 AMWe were discussing that last night with a group of foreigners in Istanbul. A girlfriend who lives here said she gets Turkish men's close attention all the time even in broad daylight. She picked up some words like hayır(no), defol(piss off), but apparently they don't seem to work either with the good old invincible Turkish man:)) -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Sat, September 9, 2006 - 8:39 AMmy last post was as an answer to Yasemin's post:
>>Yeah, I've always used 'salatalik' cuz everyone else did.
Good thing, I guess.
I'm not up to date on Turkish slang.
I hope to go back next year, tho.
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Mon, February 5, 2007 - 6:37 PMBack to the first post ... I always responded to "Hello my friend ... " with a smile, nod, and either "Iyi gunler" or "nasilsin?" If they kept up the sale, "Tesekkular." [because "thank-you" often means "no"]
Seriously. This worked with 100% of the regular shopkeepers, and a good proportion of the touts. The only place where it failed was right outside major tourist sites, like the entry to Ephesus. Maybe I'll try "cucumber" there : ) -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Thu, July 5, 2007 - 10:10 PMMy expat friend in Istanbul tells me "don't give them face", meaning, just ignore the shopkeepers accosting you completely. But, my husband has a novel approach. When a shopkeeper asks where he's from, he says, "America, where are you from?" They say "Istanbul" and he says, "Nobody is from Istanbul, where are you from?". Almost invariably, they tell us the name of the village they came from. My husband will ask, "oh, is that in the Southwest?" or some such thing. When you take an interest like that, almost every shopkeeper we've tried that with suddenly drops the businessman facade and warms up. All of a sudden, you've got a friend. Almost all of them stop trying to sell to you at that point. We've met some really cool people that way. -
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Re: Best response ever to "Hello my friend where are you from?"
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 5:49 AMI read somewhere that the best answer to that when in Istanbul is "I am from Beyoglu."
The other way to prevent the carpet sellers from harrassing you, according to some, is to walk around with a Hurriyet newpaper tucked under your arm. They will think you are an expat and live there and know all about their tricks.
I got no hastle at all this time, not a single person trying to sell me anything I did not want, and I believe the reasons are a) that I stayed in a private house in Galatasaray, off istiklal, instead of a hotel in Sultanahmet and b) that I speak some Turkish now and c) that this time many of them thought that I am a Turkl! ; ) Amazing but true. I did not tuck a Hurriyet newspaper under my arm, but they tried to sell me one when I walked down the street in Beyoglu. ; )
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